G8JNJ

Some additional notes on LZ1AQ's pages

http://active-antenna.eu/application-notes/receiver-front-end-protection/

Regards,

Martin - G8JNJ

I should have added.

I think the term AGC threshold may be misleading. I'd expect that if you reduced the AGC threshold level down to say -130dB, it would be operating all the time, but actually the opposite seems true, as you increase the threshold value the gain is reduced.

Try listening to a weak SSB signal and adjust the AGC threshold. There should be a point where the background noise is reduced but the intelligibility remains the same.

Tune to a CW signal and observe the decoder threshold graph whilst adjusting the AGC threshold. You can see the background noise fall away and the CW becomes much more consistant.

Maybe the default AGC threshold value should be in the Admin setup, so that it can be adjusted for the site noise floor.

Regards,

Martin - G8JNJ

Hi John,

I know we have discussed AGC settings and possibly implementing a bandwidth defined threshold in previous threads.

However I've just had to clear the cookies in my browser, and I notice that the default AGC threshold seems to be back at -130dB, which means that for most users of KiWi's the AGC is effectively running disabled and as a consequence the background noise level is higher than it really needs to be.

I'm fairly sure that in the past the default value used to be -90dB.

I've got a fairly low noise floor and -90dB for USB bandwidth is just enough to reduce the background noise level without degrading the sensitivity, so I think this would be OK for most users.

Regards,

Martin - G8JNJ

Hi Pierre & John,

Thanks for doing this, it's much appreciated.

I find the S/N map and rating list extremely useful, especially when trying to optimise my own KiWi's and also when trying to find KiWi's that are suitable for TDoA purposes. In fact it would be really useful if the TDoA Kiwi selection map could somehow indicate the S/N ratings of each in order to make the selection process quicker by ruling out KiWi's with really bad (unusable) S/N values.

I'm not sure how frequently the S/N values on http://rx.linkfanel.net/snr.html are updated, but maybe an 'average' and 'recent' display would be worthwhile additions ?

I must admit I'm biased about this as I believe that across the whole 0 - 32MHz spectrum, my KiWi http://southwest.ddns.net:8073/ is probably in the top 3 worldwide, although it's currently sitting at number 23 on the list with a S/N of 31.72 dB.

However when I have actually examined the spectrum display or performed an 'auto scale' test with the spectrum fully zoomed out I get better results (currently auto scaled as -22 to -114dB) than other KiWi's that are higher up on the list.

Its main competitors (by manual examination of the spectrum display of each) are http://nsk.proxy.kiwisdr.com:8073/ with a listed value of 40.35 dB (currently auto scaled as -17 to -115dB) and http://kphsdr.com:8073/ with a listed value of 32.79 dB (currently auto scaled as -35 to -118dB). All the rest I have currently tried in the top 20 on the list are worse performers, but it does depend to a certain extent on local time at the KiWi and propagation conditions.

Obviously the derived S/N values are not that accurate, as the percentile of power levels across the whole spectrum (signal), and the median power level (noise) depend upon the distribution of signals across the spectrum, how they are filtered and what unwanted noise is present that may seem like a valid signal. However despite these limitations, the S/N map is still the best way I've found to quickly sort out the really bad performers.

It's a pity that the http://sibamanna.duckdns.org/sdr_map.html map is no longer functioning, as that (at my suggestion) was modified to split the frequency range into several different blocks of spectrum, and gave average and current values for each, which provided a better overview of the likely performance, especially if you were interested in a specific frequency range.

I'm not sure how you can actually improve the S/N calculation without a very large amount of effort, but splitting it into bands and taking measurements at the same local time for each KiWi, may help improve the resolution.

Regards,

Martin - G8JNJ

>
>I'm curious why you chose the RPA-1 preamp instead of the LZ1AQ for this antenna?
>

Hi Ron,

The RPA-1 has a 50 Ohm input impedance, so it was easier to match to 450 Ohms, plus the IMD performance is better.

Unlike small diameter loops, the LOG has a fairly flat (approx 400 Ohm) feedpoint impedance across the desired frequency range, so the mismatch losses are relatively small.

If you look at the graphs on the webpage, you can see the S/N variation with different values of termination impedance.

There probably are better antennas, but if you have the space, the 30ft per side version is a pretty good broadband performer, has a reasonable degree of noise rejection, is omni-directional, relatively low profile and doesn't need constant repairing when it's been windy.

Regards,

Martin - G8JNJ

Hi All,

Details of my 'Loop on the ground' (or technically just above it) can be found on this webpage.

https://www.g8jnj.net/loop-on-the-ground

Treat the page as a preview as it's more of a working notebook and not really fit for publication yet.

It may also contain some errors and content that will eventually be removed if I decide it's not really worthy of inclusion.

I hope it may encourage other KiWi owners to experiment, as I've found it to be about 10dB more sensitive than typical 1m diameter loops. Although it's still about 5dB below the sensitivity required to hear galactic noise throughout the 20-30MHz frequency range.

The S/N stats on http://rx.linkfanel.net/ (although not very accurate) currently show my KiWi and LOG to have a value of just under 32dB, which is probably amongst the best of all KiWi's worldwide.

For comparison purposes most Kiwi's using 1m loops shown on the site typically manage around 20dB and most E-Probes achieve about 15dB.

You can take a listen to my KiWi using a 10ft per side loop and pre-amplifier on this url http://southwest.ddns.net:8073

Regards,

Martin - G8JNJ

Hi All,

Details of my 'Loop on the ground' (or technically just above it) can be found on this webpage.

https://www.g8jnj.net/loop-on-the-ground

Treat the page as a preview as it's more of a working notebook and not really fit for publication yet.

It may also contain some errors and content that will eventually be removed if I decide it's not really worthy of inclusion.

I hope it may encourage other KiWi owners to experiment, as I've found it to be about 10dB more sensitive than typical 1m diameter loops. Although it's still about 5dB below the sensitivity required to hear galactic noise throughout the 20-30MHz frequency range.

The S/N stats on http://rx.linkfanel.net/ (although not very accurate) currently show my KiWi and LOG to have a value of just under 32dB, which is probably amongst the best of all KiWi's worldwide.

For comparison purposes most Kiwi's using 1m loops shown on the site typically manage around 20dB and most E-Probes achieve about 15dB.

You can take a listen to my KiWi using a 10ft per side loop and pre-amplifier on this url http://southwest.ddns.net:8073

Regards,

Martin - G8JNJ

Hi All,

The Russian RSDN-20 beacons on 11.9, 12.65 & 14.9KHz are active once again after quite a long absence.

They must have found some more coins for the electricity meter down the back of their sofa.

Signals are about 8-10dB above the noise floor on my Kernow KiWi SDR in the SW of the UK.

If you use this URL it will provide enhanced contrast on the waterfall display.

http://kernow.hopto.org:8073/?sqrt=2

The signal on 14.9KHz seems to have a second weaker transmission slotted in between the stronger 'pips', which you can just about see in the screen grab.



Regards,

Martin - G8JNJ

All India Radio 15030KHz heard in UK at 13:14

IF Level: -10.9 dB
SNR: 6.7 dB
DRM mode B
Chan 10kHz
ILV L
SDC 16
MSC 64 QAM
Protect: A=0 B=1
Services: A=2 D=0
Medium range use, multipath resistant

Services:
1 AAC (1) CHINESE EEP Audio 10.48 kbps
2 AAC (2) VB / TIBETAN EEP Audio 10.48 kbps

All India Radio 15030KHz heard in UK at 13:14

IF Level: -10.9 dB
SNR: 6.7 dB
DRM mode B
Chan 10kHz
ILV L
SDC 16
MSC 64 QAM
Protect: A=0 B=1
Services: A=2 D=0
Medium range use, multipath resistant

Services:
1 AAC (1) CHINESE EEP Audio 10.48 kbps
2 AAC (2) VB / TIBETAN EEP Audio 10.48 kbps