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And with that program choosing these options and pressing NEXT:
and then answering NO to this next one:
And then YES to this one:
The program then starts writing the image and verifies it in about 6 minutes (even with a 10 years old Dell e6230 laptop). If the verifying seems to last forever you very probably have a bad MicroSD card and the program tells you that it could not verity the written image. Bin the card and take another one 😁
Take the card from the computer. Put the card in the KiwiSDR and power it up.
Blue leds starts to roll left and right very soon. It does that for about 5-6min. Then all the leds go off.
Power off KiwiSDR, take the card off. Then power up again.
After 1-2 minutes your KiwiSDR is up and running with Debian 11.9 and firmware v1.665.
The very first time I did this with a 32GB card and I needed to keep the boot button pressed for a few seconds while powering up. Now I have tested this procedure half a dozen times with 16GB cards and no need to use the boot button again. Was it because of the 32G card or Debian 8.5 changing to Debian 11.9 I don´t know.
I hope this helps someone else wanting to update his/hers KiwiSDR.
Problem solved, I executed the ./up command after modifying "locale" in FR UTF-8
Everything is operational now
see bash-history below
thank you for some user's tread found in this forum
73 f6bir
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@f6bir2 Glad it's working. But I'm still very worried that I don't understand why you would have seen such a serious problem as "FPGA not responding" just by using the Debian 11 sd card re-flash image.
I would very much still like to see your complete log file. From the admin page, "console" tab. Use the msl command. Then select-all/cut/paste the entire log window into an email to support@kiwisdr.com please.
@f6bir2 Sorry, I am extremely confused. Are you the same person who has been emailing me using a different callsign in your messages (OE5...) also having a problem with no signal reception? Where you tried jumpering over the RF attn chip with no improvement?
I'm trying to track over a dozen people, each with different problems, and it's very difficult to keep these conversations straight.
I got the files you emailed. But the command you used was ms l (note the space between ml and l. What I really need is the (very long) output from the msl command (no space) where it shows which Kiwi software version you were using when the "FPGA not responding" was occurring.
No there is no connection with OE5...., I always use f6bir2 as user in this forum.
Attached is the console 'msl' file, I have deleted the identical parts to lighten the file.
I couldn't go to the end of the file, the console returns to zero (blank) before the end of msl
F6bir2 Rene
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Hello, i tried to update my kiwi 1 BB/GB but still no luck. I have made the backup on a 64gb sd card. I downloaded the image and burned into a sdcard and other sd cards from 4 gb up to 64 gb.
Put it in the Kiwi 1 but it won't boot, everytime i get 1 flashing light.
Question: Why i won't boot, because when i put back the backup sd card it boots normally .
How can i see if i have the 2gb version instead of the 4gb version that would explain that it won't boot with the new Debian.
The upgrade went quickly and the BBG is running but the 8073 web page never appears.
The leftmost blue LED is double-flashing, and the rightmost is one solid,
The BBG responds to pings and ssh login attempts, but I don't know the Debian 11 root password to learn more.
How do I proceed?
Oops, Nevermind. It appears I blew out the FPGA in the upgrade processs by briefly plugging in a barrel connector with 12 VDC on it. The BBG survived, but apparently the FPGA didn't. I replaced the Kiwi PCB the the BBG comes up fine.
I hope the Kwiw2 protects against those 12 VDC barrel connections!
Hi Rob. I'm surprised by that. Since the Beagle is completely in the power path before the Kiwi board it's almost always the BBG that gets blown up. The DC jack on the Kiwi board is just a pass-through to the Beagle (via the P9 header connector). Mostly because the BBG (not BBB) lacks a DC jack.
After the Beagle PMIC chip, where all the switched voltage qualification takes place, 5V & 3V3 is returned to the Kiwi board. So the PMIC should really not allow 12V back to the Kiwi board. The Kiwi-2 adds reverse voltage protection over the Kiwi-1.
Maybe give the Kiwi board another go just to be sure. Might also be worth looking at the troubleshooting guide to check the Kiwi board voltages: http://www.kiwisdr.com/ks/troubleshooting.pdf
Thanks to John's help I was able to successfully upgrade 6 Kiwis to Debian 11 / v 1.701. No Kiwi FPGAs were damaged by the 12V DC, but it took me some experimentation to find a reliable OS upgrade process:
1) Remove the KiwiPCB to gain easy access to the boot button, insert the microSD, and apply power to the BBG through the microUSB port.
2) After the BBG completed its copy from microSD and turned itself off, remove the microUSB power cable. Carefully re-attach the KiwiPCB to the BBG, attach an ethernet cable, and power up from 5V to the barrel connector.
3) After several minutes I open the Kiwi's /admin page and look at the Console->monitor build progress page to see if the Kiwi software upgrade was in progress. If so, leave the Kiwi powered on and undisturbed for the hour or so it takes to complete an update to 701. If there is no evidence the Kiwi is executing an auto-update, then execute a manual update and monitor its progress from the Console->monitor build progress page
After the update to v1.701 is complete, I change the default admin settings for:
a) GPS: QZSS:off, Acquire if Kiwi busy:on (very important, I think), Set date from GPS:on
b) Update: Automatically install software updates:No. (This defaults to Yes and after some microSD installs the Kiwi started upgrading automatically. When I found the Kiwi unresponsive I power cycled the Kiwi in the midst of the upgrade and I ended up with a Kiwi with corrupted installation)
I have a dozen more Kiwis which need OS upgrades and I now am confident I can do that reliably.
Yesterday I finished updating the last of my five Kiwi v1s, but if someone is as lazy as me and doesn't want to dig the receiver out of the case and disconnect the boards, it can be done, but the condition is to provide an additional 5V power supply to the microUSB, without it the system supposedly installed from the SD card as in the description, but after the operation was completed it wouldn't start.
In order:
1 I inserted the SD card
2 I connected 5V to the BBG microUSB connector
3 I pressed the start button (the worst)
4 I inserted the 5V power supply pin into the board
5 I held the start button until the blue diodes went out and lit up again (about 12 seconds)
Sorry, my question may be stupid, but I'm a bit confused. As far as I understand, the linked quickstart chapter tells only what "the new procedure" can do automatically, but not how to invoke it. The only link ("Re-flashing once you have the SD card ...") seems to be already the next step to do after running "the new procedure". (The following chapters seem to leave this context.)
Please help me to understand, I don't want to get bogged down.
I managed to create an SD card for the upgrade using the new button under the Admin "Backup" tab:
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Create a Debian 11 upgrade SD card which includes all Kiwi customizations in kiwi.config directory. [Click to write upgrade to SD card]
----------------
(NOTE: I needed to use a freshly formatted/erased SD card to make that work. My previous attempts gave me ERROR: code 32.)
Now that I had the upgrade SD Card, I thought all that was needed was a KiwiSDR server restart. That didn't work; still showed Debian 8.11. Then I tried Beagle power off, then unplugged the power, waited 20 seconds and re-applied power. Again, KiwSDR woke up with Debian 8.11.
At some point in the documentation, I seem to remember reading something about the necessity for the Beagle board "Reset" button needed to be pushed? Or was it something else? I can't seem to find it now.
I apologize for the bandwidth... I just found this on the extensive Operating info. Sorry to repeat just the snippet of info but maybe it will help others (see below).
73, Doug WW6D
Re-flashing once you have the SD card:
KiwiSDR 2 owners: Detailed information about using the re-flash SD card provided in the shipping box is here.
After you have an SD card with the flasher image power down the Kiwi. Open the Kiwi case, find the micro SD card slot, and insert the card into the slot.
Power up the Kiwi/Beagle. But note that before powering up you may have to hold down the boot button (switch) which is located on the Beagle circuit board top near the SD card slot (but the other side of the board). Look for a small black button. This button is a bit difficult to get to if the Kiwi board is installed. We use a small non-metalic tool to reach the button and hold it down while plugging in the power (the button gives a noticeable "click"). Release the button a few seconds after all of the 4 LEDs light up.
A few moments after booting from the SD card the LEDs will display a "back-and-forth" pattern as the image is copied to the Beagle on-board filesystem. The Beagle will power off when done (all LEDs will go dark). Takes about 5 minutes for a Class-10 SD card. IMPORTANT: Remove the micro-SD card when finished.
If you don't see the "back-and-forth" pattern in the 4 LEDs then your press of the boot button during power up wasn't recognized and the Beagle is actually running from the on-board eMMC instead of the SD card. Power down and try the procedure again.
Your Beagle now has the KiwiSDR-customized version of Debian installed and a snapshot version of the KiwiSDR server software itself.
Quick follow up ... the procedure outlined by John on Operating info web page worked just like it was documented. I looked at the photo of the "boot button" to make sure the correct switch was held down during power up. I verified that I now have Debian 11.11 running. (Note: my old KiwiSDR was purchased back in 2018 - still running great with no fan ;-).
@dl7awl Sorry, there was some missing text on that page describing that the new button on the admin backup tab must be used. I've fixed that now.
@ww6d I'm surprised you thought some sort of formatting of the sd card was necessary. That should not be the case. The procedure writes the new Debian 11 image to the raw sd card device (no formatting required). Then afterwards mounts the created partition on the card to write the Kiwi configuration information.
Also, the documentation section you mention "Re-flashing once you have the SD card" is referenced directly at the end of the upgrade instructions (even including a link!) So there should not have been any confusion about this.
Here's why I made statement about formatting. I tried two SD cards, both had previous versions of Kiwi software on them for backup. When I inserted either one of them, and started the "create SD card" process, everything looked fine until the end - and I noted the ERROR: code 32 each time. (And bear in mind, it took 20+ minutes for each try ;-).
So, on a whim, I put the SD card in a carrier and formatted it on a Windows 11 computer using defaults. Then, reinserted that SD card, started the "Create.." process again - and this time it worked!
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@PSO Is it now working for you?
@f6bir2 Is it a Kiwi-1 or Kiwi-2?
I really need to see a large number (like 500 to 1000) of the log messages from the
mslcommand.Could you email those to support@kiwisdr.com please?
Debian 11 upgrade for Kiwis using BeagleBone Green/Black [update: okay to use again] - Page 2
https://forum.kiwisdr.com/index.php?p=/discussion/comment/18698#Comment_18698Yes, John.
All kinds of hassle with broken microSD cards and stuff so finally I chose this route:
I downloaded the image file to my Windows computer from
http://kiwisdr.com/files/KiwiSDR_v1.665_BBG_BBB_Debian_11.9.img.xz
I Extracted the IMG file with 7-zip to use with Raspberry Pi imager.
I Downloaded Rasberry PI imager from:
https://www.raspberrypi.com/software/
And with that program choosing these options and pressing NEXT:
and then answering NO to this next one:
And then YES to this one:
The program then starts writing the image and verifies it in about 6 minutes (even with a 10 years old Dell e6230 laptop). If the verifying seems to last forever you very probably have a bad MicroSD card and the program tells you that it could not verity the written image. Bin the card and take another one 😁
Take the card from the computer. Put the card in the KiwiSDR and power it up.
Blue leds starts to roll left and right very soon. It does that for about 5-6min. Then all the leds go off.
Power off KiwiSDR, take the card off. Then power up again.
After 1-2 minutes your KiwiSDR is up and running with Debian 11.9 and firmware v1.665.
The very first time I did this with a 32GB card and I needed to keep the boot button pressed for a few seconds while powering up. Now I have tested this procedure half a dozen times with 16GB cards and no need to use the boot button again. Was it because of the 32G card or Debian 8.5 changing to Debian 11.9 I don´t know.
I hope this helps someone else wanting to update his/hers KiwiSDR.
73 Pekka
This me rehearsing the procedure. ☺
73 Pekka
Problem solved, I executed the ./up command after modifying "locale" in FR UTF-8
Everything is operational now
see bash-history below
thank you for some user's tread found in this forum
73 f6bir
@f6bir2 Glad it's working. But I'm still very worried that I don't understand why you would have seen such a serious problem as "FPGA not responding" just by using the Debian 11 sd card re-flash image.
I would very much still like to see your complete log file. From the admin page, "console" tab. Use the
mslcommand. Then select-all/cut/paste the entire log window into an email to support@kiwisdr.com please.Thank you
John
I sent to support@kiwisdr.com 3 bash files this morning
Have a nice WE
F6bir
@f6bir2 Sorry, I am extremely confused. Are you the same person who has been emailing me using a different callsign in your messages (OE5...) also having a problem with no signal reception? Where you tried jumpering over the RF attn chip with no improvement?
I'm trying to track over a dozen people, each with different problems, and it's very difficult to keep these conversations straight.
I got the files you emailed. But the command you used was
ms l(note the space betweenmlandl. What I really need is the (very long) output from themslcommand (no space) where it shows which Kiwi software version you were using when the "FPGA not responding" was occurring.Thank you
No there is no connection with OE5...., I always use f6bir2 as user in this forum.
Attached is the console 'msl' file, I have deleted the identical parts to lighten the file.
I couldn't go to the end of the file, the console returns to zero (blank) before the end of msl
F6bir2 Rene
@f6bir2 Okay, thank you. The OE5xxx in my email is also named Rene, hence my confusion.
Thanks very much for the log file. I need to figure out what exactly happened..
Hello, i tried to update my kiwi 1 BB/GB but still no luck. I have made the backup on a 64gb sd card. I downloaded the image and burned into a sdcard and other sd cards from 4 gb up to 64 gb.
Put it in the Kiwi 1 but it won't boot, everytime i get 1 flashing light.
Question: Why i won't boot, because when i put back the backup sd card it boots normally .
How can i see if i have the 2gb version instead of the 4gb version that would explain that it won't boot with the new Debian.
Hope there is an explanation.
Have a toothpick ready. Power up while holding down the boot button. I had to do this when I did the debian 8to11 upgrade.
The upgrade went quickly and the BBG is running but the 8073 web page never appears.
The leftmost blue LED is double-flashing, and the rightmost is one solid,
The BBG responds to pings and ssh login attempts, but I don't know the Debian 11 root password to learn more.
How do I proceed?
Oops, Nevermind. It appears I blew out the FPGA in the upgrade processs by briefly plugging in a barrel connector with 12 VDC on it. The BBG survived, but apparently the FPGA didn't. I replaced the Kiwi PCB the the BBG comes up fine.
I hope the Kwiw2 protects against those 12 VDC barrel connections!
Hi Rob. I'm surprised by that. Since the Beagle is completely in the power path before the Kiwi board it's almost always the BBG that gets blown up. The DC jack on the Kiwi board is just a pass-through to the Beagle (via the P9 header connector). Mostly because the BBG (not BBB) lacks a DC jack.
After the Beagle PMIC chip, where all the switched voltage qualification takes place, 5V & 3V3 is returned to the Kiwi board. So the PMIC should really not allow 12V back to the Kiwi board. The Kiwi-2 adds reverse voltage protection over the Kiwi-1.
Maybe give the Kiwi board another go just to be sure. Might also be worth looking at the troubleshooting guide to check the Kiwi board voltages: http://www.kiwisdr.com/ks/troubleshooting.pdf
Thanks to John's help I was able to successfully upgrade 6 Kiwis to Debian 11 / v 1.701. No Kiwi FPGAs were damaged by the 12V DC, but it took me some experimentation to find a reliable OS upgrade process:
1) Remove the KiwiPCB to gain easy access to the boot button, insert the microSD, and apply power to the BBG through the microUSB port.
2) After the BBG completed its copy from microSD and turned itself off, remove the microUSB power cable. Carefully re-attach the KiwiPCB to the BBG, attach an ethernet cable, and power up from 5V to the barrel connector.
3) After several minutes I open the Kiwi's /admin page and look at the Console->monitor build progress page to see if the Kiwi software upgrade was in progress. If so, leave the Kiwi powered on and undisturbed for the hour or so it takes to complete an update to 701. If there is no evidence the Kiwi is executing an auto-update, then execute a manual update and monitor its progress from the Console->monitor build progress page
After the update to v1.701 is complete, I change the default admin settings for:
a) GPS: QZSS:off, Acquire if Kiwi busy:on (very important, I think), Set date from GPS:on
b) Update: Automatically install software updates:No. (This defaults to Yes and after some microSD installs the Kiwi started upgrading automatically. When I found the Kiwi unresponsive I power cycled the Kiwi in the midst of the upgrade and I ended up with a Kiwi with corrupted installation)
I have a dozen more Kiwis which need OS upgrades and I now am confident I can do that reliably.
Yesterday I finished updating the last of my five Kiwi v1s, but if someone is as lazy as me and doesn't want to dig the receiver out of the case and disconnect the boards, it can be done, but the condition is to provide an additional 5V power supply to the microUSB, without it the system supposedly installed from the SD card as in the description, but after the operation was completed it wouldn't start.
In order:
1 I inserted the SD card
2 I connected 5V to the BBG microUSB connector
3 I pressed the start button (the worst)
4 I inserted the 5V power supply pin into the board
5 I held the start button until the blue diodes went out and lit up again (about 12 seconds)
Bump, for better visibility.
The upgrade process has been greatly simplified has discussed here: http://kiwisdr.com/quickstart/index.html#id-D11-upgrade
My kiwi is properly working since years without any debian updates, but now it's time to do the step to Debian 11.
The upgrade process has been greatly simplified has discussed here: http://kiwisdr.com/quickstart/index.html#id-D11-upgrade
Sorry, my question may be stupid, but I'm a bit confused. As far as I understand, the linked quickstart chapter tells only what "the new procedure" can do automatically, but not how to invoke it. The only link ("Re-flashing once you have the SD card ...") seems to be already the next step to do after running "the new procedure". (The following chapters seem to leave this context.)
Please help me to understand, I don't want to get bogged down.
My current situation: Debian 8.5, Kiwi 1.808.
Thanks in advance, and best regards,
Manfred, DL7AWL
I am also having difficulty getting my Beagleboard Green to upgrade to Debian 11. Here's my currently running KiwiSDR:
KiwiSDR 1, v1.808, 8 SDR channels, 12 GPS channels | Uptime: 1:12:46 | UTC: 17:03 | Local: 10:03 America/Los Angeles (PDT)
Debian 8.11
I managed to create an SD card for the upgrade using the new button under the Admin "Backup" tab:
----------------
Create a Debian 11 upgrade SD card which includes all Kiwi customizations in kiwi.config directory. [Click to write upgrade to SD card]
----------------
(NOTE: I needed to use a freshly formatted/erased SD card to make that work. My previous attempts gave me ERROR: code 32.)
Now that I had the upgrade SD Card, I thought all that was needed was a KiwiSDR server restart. That didn't work; still showed Debian 8.11. Then I tried Beagle power off, then unplugged the power, waited 20 seconds and re-applied power. Again, KiwSDR woke up with Debian 8.11.
At some point in the documentation, I seem to remember reading something about the necessity for the Beagle board "Reset" button needed to be pushed? Or was it something else? I can't seem to find it now.
Thanks for the help! 73, Doug WW6D
I apologize for the bandwidth... I just found this on the extensive Operating info. Sorry to repeat just the snippet of info but maybe it will help others (see below).
73, Doug WW6D
Re-flashing once you have the SD card:
KiwiSDR 2 owners: Detailed information about using the re-flash SD card provided in the shipping box is here.
After you have an SD card with the flasher image power down the Kiwi. Open the Kiwi case, find the micro SD card slot, and insert the card into the slot.
Power up the Kiwi/Beagle. But note that before powering up you may have to hold down the boot button (switch) which is located on the Beagle circuit board top near the SD card slot (but the other side of the board). Look for a small black button. This button is a bit difficult to get to if the Kiwi board is installed. We use a small non-metalic tool to reach the button and hold it down while plugging in the power (the button gives a noticeable "click"). Release the button a few seconds after all of the 4 LEDs light up.
A few moments after booting from the SD card the LEDs will display a "back-and-forth" pattern as the image is copied to the Beagle on-board filesystem. The Beagle will power off when done (all LEDs will go dark). Takes about 5 minutes for a Class-10 SD card. IMPORTANT: Remove the micro-SD card when finished.
If you don't see the "back-and-forth" pattern in the 4 LEDs then your press of the boot button during power up wasn't recognized and the Beagle is actually running from the on-board eMMC instead of the SD card. Power down and try the procedure again.
Your Beagle now has the KiwiSDR-customized version of Debian installed and a snapshot version of the KiwiSDR server software itself.
I managed to create an SD card for the upgrade using the new button under the Admin "Backup" tab:
Heureka, thanks, Doug! That was my missing puzzle part! I expected such button under "Update" and didn't look elsewhere.
Regards, Manfred
Quick follow up ... the procedure outlined by John on Operating info web page worked just like it was documented. I looked at the photo of the "boot button" to make sure the correct switch was held down during power up. I verified that I now have Debian 11.11 running. (Note: my old KiwiSDR was purchased back in 2018 - still running great with no fan ;-).
Manfred - 73!
Doug WW6D
@dl7awl Sorry, there was some missing text on that page describing that the new button on the admin backup tab must be used. I've fixed that now.
@ww6d I'm surprised you thought some sort of formatting of the sd card was necessary. That should not be the case. The procedure writes the new Debian 11 image to the raw sd card device (no formatting required). Then afterwards mounts the created partition on the card to write the Kiwi configuration information.
Also, the documentation section you mention "Re-flashing once you have the SD card" is referenced directly at the end of the upgrade instructions (even including a link!) So there should not have been any confusion about this.
Thank you John for the reply and clarification.
Here's why I made statement about formatting. I tried two SD cards, both had previous versions of Kiwi software on them for backup. When I inserted either one of them, and started the "create SD card" process, everything looked fine until the end - and I noted the ERROR: code 32 each time. (And bear in mind, it took 20+ minutes for each try ;-).
So, on a whim, I put the SD card in a carrier and formatted it on a Windows 11 computer using defaults. Then, reinserted that SD card, started the "Create.." process again - and this time it worked!
73, Doug WW6D